Another Reformed Newbie: Part 2

Okay, so this is Part 2 of my reformed journey. You can view my previous post here, and in this post I wanted to highlight what I did learn coming out of the Black church.

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Basically, I feel like a baby in Christ, like I’m starting all over from scratch. I know I shouldn’t throw out my entire Christian life until this point, but sometimes it feels like the best thing to do because I’m always having to re-learn something that I thought I already knew, over and over again. It’s tempting to be frustrated, angry, and depressed. It’s tempting to be me-centered, rather than Christ-centered as I’m watching a good majority of my “work” be burned up in front of my eyes (1 Corinthians 3:11-15). Nevertheless, I’m still here, and God has blessed me with another opportunity to continue to work and strive in this Christian life. So in the words of the Apostle Paul, daily “I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 3:14).

Now, I don’t want to give the impression that I gained absolutely nothing from growing up in a Black church, or give you the impression that nothing good exists within Black churches. I actually learned a lot, and considering that Reformed people like to emphasize how historic Reformed Theology is, I think that there are a few things that I can see in common:

For instance, I learned about tarrying in prayer and the importance of prayer in the Black church. Now, we weren’t quoting from the Valley of Vision, but I learned that you can use Scripture as a guide for prayer and that God hears and works through our prayers. And this phrase was repeated often during the church service: He may not come when you want Him, but He’ll be there right on time.

Learning and memorizing Scripture was practically mandatory growing up. As children, we learned a lot through Sunday School and Bible Studies. But I specifically remember having to stand up every Sunday morning at the end of the Sunday School hour with the rest of my class in front of the entire church, and we were required to give an account of what we learned and the verse we had memorized. Not only did this make our teacher accountable to the entire church, but it also gave us a sense of personal responsibility to be diligent in our own learning and understanding of what was being taught. Thinking about it now, having to go through that for so many years is probably what has made me so comfortable with asking questions now when I don’t understand the things being taught at church.

I also learned about the importance of the Church, as a whole. The term “church family” was huge in my world because everyone literally treated you like family. We were trained to have titles for everyone who was older than us (i.e. Miss, Ms., Mr., Mrs., Sister, Brother, Aunt, Uncle, Deacon, Pastor, Minister, and on and on). And these people treated you like they were kin to you too! I can’t tell you how many times I was scolded and reprimanded by other people who saw me do something. Being taught that what goes on in the dark will always come out in the light  just meant that someone was always going to see me, no matter what, and let my mother know what I did! And yes, I feared the one (my mom) who could destroy my body (with a butt whipping), as well as, the One who could destroy my body and soul (Luke 12:2-5).

Not only that, I learned that the church was larger than our building. We heavily supported other local churches in our county through fall and spring revivals, homecoming services, and other events. (My husband told me I grew up following a liturgical calendar before I even knew what a liturgy was). I never had the sense that my church was the only church I needed to be concerned about. Granted, as a child I probably didn’t care as much as I should have, but it did make me aware that I am a member of this larger, universal church that has a history and a future. I’m not exactly sure where I lost sight of “church history”, but I do remember hearing about my church’s history at least once a year. It helped me see that the church was important and had always been important to our community. With Reformed Theology I am seeing that church history is much broader than I previously knew, but at least I have a little groundwork on the topic.

Finally, the gospel was preached, and it was central to our church. From the moment you walked in the church, you saw the pulpit up front and center. The communion table was center too, with a giant Bible opened on it to Psalm 23 every Sunday, except for Communion Sundays. As children, we were taught to show reverence in the church. You couldn’t run up on the pulpit (we thought that God would smite us or something crazy would happen). The Lord’s Supper was a guarded and serious activity that went on around you, and all you were allowed to do was watch. There was no participation unless you had made a public profession of faith and were baptized, and even then, 1 Corinthians 11:17-34 was read every time before communion started. So even then, I never approached the table lightly because I did not want God to judge me for being to casual. All in all, Christ was the center of everything that went on, and trust me, I knew I was sinner in desperate need of a Savior. I also knew that it was God’s mercy and grace that would keep me every day. My pastor always emphasized that no one knew the day or the hour that Christ would return, but we were exhorted to always be ready and look for him at every moment. And we would literally, as children, stand outside looking to see if we could see Him.

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I will say, on a really positive note, that writing this section has really opened my eyes to how much I did learn growing up. Although a good chunk of Black churches have picked up the word of faith and prosperity gospel messages, in God’s providence, I was allowed to begin my Christian journey in a sound church. I know they didn’t have everything right, but it was sound. Now, many people have strayed from that over the years, and many people that I grew up with have nothing to do with the Lord these days, but God saw fit to keep watch over me all these years. And fortunately, these are really good things that I can build on as I’m learning more about Reformed Theology. But next time, I’m going to be pretty real about some things that I did learn in the Black church that I wish I had never known. Stay tuned!

Why Mark Jones Is Right… and Wrong

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Mark Jones

Let me be the first (perhaps not) Baptist to admit that Mark Jones was spot on in many regards in his post “A Plea for Realism”:Are Presbyterians Christians? It seems to me that Mark Jones is simply calling for a little intellectual honesty from us Baptists. Well, allow me to humor him.

I certainly agree that, if we do not allow unbaptized believers to take communion, that should include those who have been “baptized” in a way that we believe to be unbiblical and, thus, no baptism at all. If a paedobaptist came to my church who refused to be baptized post-confession due to having been sprinkled as an infant, we would not allow him to be a member, so why would we allow him to take communion? Baptism, in every Christian tradition, has historically preceded communion. Baptism preceding communion is both a historical and a biblical view. On this point, most Baptists and Presbyterians agree.

Therefore, for me to dissuade my Presbyterian friends from taking communion in my local church, I am not saying they are not Christians so much as that they have not followed biblical mandate in regard to the order of the sacraments. That is, baptism precedes communion. On this point, they would obviously disagree with me, because they hold to a different understanding of baptism. However, for Baptists to cave on this issue and allow for unbaptized Presbyterians (and that’s what we think they are) to take communion, we would be going against our confession’s definition of true baptism.

However, we are not alone in this stance. Presbyterians must take issue with at least some Baptists taking communion in their churches. Just this week, I listened to a somewhat refreshing episode of Reformed Forum in which Jim Cassidy admitted that Baptist parents are in sin who do not baptize their infants in keeping with a Presbyterian view of baptism. I think this is the only consistent Presbyterian view and, as such, I don’t see how Baptist parents can take communion in Presbyterian churches, unless Presbyterians encourage people in open, unrepentant sin to take communion.

ctc-album300Either way, both traditions have an issue when it comes to what Jones calls “catholicity” and baptism. Neither one of us can deny that we see the other as being disobedient to our Lord’s ordinance of baptism. Are Baptists inconsistent to call their Presbyterian friends Christians? Not quite as inconsistent, I would argue, as those Presbyterian churches that allow consistently Baptist parents to take communion.

So, perhaps the proper way to respond to our Presbyterian friends when they try to corner us on these issues is not to bend over backward to try to be ecumenical. Perhaps, the best response is to affirm them where they are correct, but demonstrate how they have to answer the same questions regarding their sacramentology. None of us are immune. At a certain level, each believe the other (credos and paedos) is disobedient at a certain level, and that must stand as a guard to the communion table at some point.

See also Tom Hicks’ response to Jones’ article. Michael Haykin has also chimed in, and Jones has offered his critique of Haykins’ response here.

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CredoCovenant 2.0

EA-2.0We are now actively and publicly recruiting new contributors to the blog. We’re looking for all kinds of bloggers with different backgrounds and life experiences. We will be privately contacting some solo-bloggers from around the web (those who openly publish their contact info), but if you read this and know someone who meets the criteria, let us know.

 

 

Criteria:

  1. Must subscribe to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith.
  2. Must attend a confessionally Reformed church (if you are able).
  3. Must have previous blogging experience or be able to submit previously written material via e-mail for our consideration.
  4. Must be a member in good standing in a local church.
  5. Must bring something unique to the CredoCovenant dynamic.

We are also open to hearing from our readers how we might improve our website. Feel free to contact us at credocov@gmail.com to be considered as a contributor.

CCF Episodes 13-14, 25-28: Covenant Theology by Nehemiah Coxe

Grab Covenant Theology: From Adam to Christ by Nehemiah Coxe and John Owen and read along with the CredoCovenant Fellowship as we engage its major themes from a Reformed Baptist perspective:

 

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Covenant Theology: From Adam to Christ

by Nehemiah Coxe and John Owen

CCF Episode Twenty-Eight: Concluding Our Discussion of Covenant Theology

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In this episode, JD and Billy sit down with Junior “The Big Dippa” Duran and Rene Del Rio to conclude their discussion of Covenant Theology: From Adam to Christ by Nehemiah Coxe and John Owen.

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Christian Liberty According to the 1689


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Grab your copy of The Baptist Confession and join JD and Billy as they discuss Christian liberty from a Reformed Baptist perspective.

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The Baptist Confession & The Baptist Catechism
edited by James Renihan

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The Creedal Imperative by Carl Trueman (paperback)

Creedal ImperativeThe Creedal Imperative by Carl Trueman

Paperback: 208 pages

Publisher: Crossway; (September 30, 2012)

Language: English

ISBN-10: 1433521903

ISBN-13: 978-1433521904

 

 

 

Summary:

What if “No creed but the Bible” is unbiblical?

The role of confessions and creeds is the subject of debate within evangelicalism today as many resonate with the call to return to Christianity’s ancient roots. Advocating for a balanced perspective, Carl Trueman offers an analysis of why creeds and confessions are necessary, how they have developed over time, and how they can function in the church of today and tomorrow.

 

 

Reviews:

CredoCovenant Review – Billy Leonhart

“How might creedal and confessional commitments jeopardize the protestant commitment to Sola Scriptura? Are such commitments not tantamount to the elevation of tradition to the level of, if not above, Scripture itself? Will not such commitments in essence render the church irrelevant in this modern age? Whatever happened to ‘no creed but the Bible’? Carl Trueman, Professor of Church History at Westminster Theological Seminary (Philadelphia, PA.), seeks to answer these questions and more in The Creedal Imperative. In this book, Trueman argues that ‘creeds and confessions are, in fact, necessary for the well-being of the church’ (20).” Read more…

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IX Marks Review – Peter Hess

“In The Creedal Imperative, Carl Trueman argues that, if a church hopes to ‘follow the pattern of the sound words’ that has been entrusted to it (2 Tim. 1:13), that church requires a robust confessionalism.” Read more…

 

The Aquila Report – Aimee Byrd

“Apparently, this book is too cool for a subtitle. Carl Trueman has a market on cool by rebelling against cool. Especially skinny jeans. But I digress. I’m thinking something like, ‘The Indicatives are Imperative.’ But that’s just me. Does your church catechize or teach with creeds? Sure it does. Trueman makes the case that all churches and all people have a creed, whether they admit it or not. ‘No creed but the Bible’ just doesn’t exist, and is a creed in itself (maybe that’s a good subtitle).” Read more…

 

The Blog (Founders) – Tom Hicks

“With Christianity on the wane in Western culture, some leaders have urged Christians to deemphasize secondary doctrines in order to stand united on gospel essentials.  Our numbers are too small, they say, for Christians to continue nit picking at each other on long disputed matters of theology.  Let me suggest, however, that doctrinal minimalism is the wrong approach, especially at this time.  While all true Christians should stand united for the advancement of Christ’s kingdom and against the rising specter of secularism, this is not the time to sideline secondary doctrines of the faith.  Now, more than ever, we need robust, thoroughly biblical expressions of Christianity.  We need an encyclopedically confessional faith.” Read more…

 

Covenant Theology: From Adam to Christ by Nehemiah Coxe and John Owen (hardcover)

coxeowen2Covenant Theology: From Adam to Christ by Nehemiah Coxe and John Owen; ed. Ronald D. Miller, James M. Renihan, and Francisco Orozco

388 pages

Publisher: Reformed Baptist Academic Press; (October 1, 2005)

Language: English

ISBN-10: 0976003937

ISBN-13: 978-0976003939

 

 

Summary:

“Covenant Theology: From Adam to Christ is a reprint of two seventeenth century theologians, Nehemiah Coxe and John Owen. It amply displays the fact that seventeenth century Particular Baptists fit within the broader Covenant Theology of that day.”

 

 

Book Reviews:

Founders Journal – Eddie Goodwin

“Hercules had his labors. Alexander the Great faced the Gordian knot. And for a growing number of Baptists today, there is the great challenge of explaining precisely how one can be committed to both Reformed covenant theology and credo Baptistic convictions. Thankfully, a ready reply is available in a new compilation work from Reformed Baptist Academic Press entitled, Covenant Theology from Adam to Christ.Read more…

 

The Dogmatic Reformer – William Sandell

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Listen to Our Discussions of This Book

“Covenant Theology is the core doctrine of the Reformed faith, whether Presbyterians or (traditional) Baptists.  The understandings of the covenants is the primary distinction between the two groups.  Both sides agree in the Covenant of Works, which is that God made a Covenant with Adam in the Garden.  If Adam obeyed than he (and his posterity) would have gained eternal life.  Adam failed, so we needed a new representative.  We need one who could fulfill that covenant for us, since the curse of sin prevented any of us from perfect obedience ourselves.  That is what both sides call the Covenant of Grace.  Jesus fulfills that role as our federal head and representative.  It was not just his death on the cross, but his active obedience that allow us to gain eternal life.  His righteous life is imputed (credited) to us and is looked upon as if we had done it.” Read more…

 

Amazon Review – Douglas VanderMeulen

“For many thoughtful Christians, to seriously embrace Covenantal theology means that ipso facto you should also embrace infant baptism. For many the two are inseparably linked. Or to put it another way, many believe that Baptist theology and Covenantal theology are mutually exclusive when the latter is held in a biblically consistent manner. But the book ‘Covenant Theology from Adam to Christ’ by the 17th century Baptist, Nehemiah Coxe’s challenges this assumption via sound exegetical analysis of the key passages on covenants and their signs in both Old and New Testaments. Please don’t misunderstand, this is not another book trying to prove believer’s baptism. It is an exegetical work developing and explaining the covenantal structure of the Bible and God’s promise of salvation.” Read more…

CCF Episode Twenty-Seven: The Covenant of Circumcision

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In this episode, JD and Billy sit down with Junior “The Big Dippa” Duran and Rene Del Rio to discuss Chapters Five, Six, and Seven of Covenant Theology: From Adam to Christ by Nehemiah Coxe and John Owen. Featuring music from ALERT312.

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Covenant Theology: From Adam to Christ by Nehemiah Coxe and John Owen

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